101: Hidden Toxins at Home: What You're Doing Wrong

MK: Welcome to the eight o'clock news. 

Kathy: What are we talking about today? 

MK: We're talking about environmental toxins. You know, if you think about it every day, you know, you put on lotions, you take clothes, you drink water, you store food in plastic food storage containers, not knowing that you expose yourself to a ton of environmental toxins.

In this episode, we're gonna talk about our journey with environmental toxins, A painful journey, expensive journey in, in many cases on what we have done to reduce our exposure. Because one thing I. We should probably point out from the get go, you cannot remove or avoid all environmental toxins, right?

You would have to live in, out in the woods in a mud hud. Mm-hmm. Without exposure to anything. You probably don't wanna do this. So you can only reduce your exposure. Right. And that depends on or to what extent you want to do this. Depends on your state of health. Maybe also your budget and your desire.

Right. Because it's a pain in the ass at times. 

Kathy: It can be difficult. 

MK: Yes. Yeah. And so we'll talk about all of this. We're gonna break it down into, uh, two episodes. We're gonna talk about four categories of environmental toxins in episode number one. That is drinking water, food, food storage, and utensils, closing and bedding, and household cleaners and appliances.

And then in the second episode, we'll talk about personal care products, pharmaceuticals, and hormones, and EMF mitigation, not necessarily environmental toxin, but. Toxic at the end of the day. Anyway. So maybe before we get started, let's ask a favor. Go down to the comments and let us know what is your health goal you're chasing right now.

You know, improve your health, lose weight whenever it might be. More energy, better sleep, cleaner skin. Let us know in the comments. We are super interested because maybe we can then tie some of that back to environmental toxins in the next episode. So let's start with drinking water. Do you like water? 

Kathy: Uh, yes.

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There are microplastic and endocrine disruptors, you know, from. The plastic that can lead in the other birth, birth hormone, um, byproducts that end up in the sewer that can recycle back into the drinking water. And the water authorities don't really check for that. So you get birth control pill if you want to or not if you drink unfiltered tap water.

And so let's talk about some of the things that we've done that are in many cases, expensive, and then some of the things that you can do. Uh, maybe let's start with what we do with the kids when they're out and about and just have a bottle of water. 

Kathy: Um, well, with the kids when I'm well sports, they have their, um, you know, their water bottle that has like a filter in it.

Mm-hmm. So they can always reveal and drink water. Uh, where, so what brain 

MK: is that? That's, uh, clearly. Clearly filtered Uhhuh and Life Straw. Yes. Those two we have, right? Yes. And which one do you like better? 

Kathy: Oh my God. One is very expensive to get 

MK: the replace. The replacement filters, right Replace. It's the clearly filtered the filter, but it's lighter.

It's lighter. Uhhuh life. 

Kathy: Straw is heavier and it has parts that need to be really dry. So 

MK: every time you use it, you have to take it out and dry it. But the filters are failure and experiment. I think they also filter better because one is basically a, just a charcoal filter. Right. They clearly filter.

Mm-hmm. And the life straw has like a membrane and charcoal it system. Yeah. It, it filters more. And when 

Kathy: I'm up, you know, like out and about, like you said, you know what I now, right now that is very hot. I just bring a big. A stainless steel container, you know, like a gallon or know like a gallon uhhuh and just have it there with me because I know that I might not find, um, you know, filtered water.

Yeah. In malls, um, or outside in parks or et cetera. So I just have a big jog of water in, right in the trunk. 

MK: And those are. Fairly inexpensive. I think at least, well, at least if you use them, like for outside in, in the house, you can just get a, you know, a, a picture with a charcoal filter. I mean, it doesn't filter out everything, but most of what is in tap water that you want to get out, like the chlorine, you know, and, and just fluoride and some of that stuff you don't want, that is fairly easy to filter.

There're also, I've seen gravity fed ones, like it's a big stainless steel container you have on a countertop, right? You fill it up, it trickles through, and then you, you know, just. Get your water out, that's clear and, and everything. I think those are good and inexpensive options. Yeah. 

Kathy: And I think that's a inexpensive option.

Mm-hmm. You know, if you don't want to put like a, um. All house, you know, filtration system. Yeah. Then you can go with that 

MK: and also put in the kitchen and also renter. If you're a renter and you cannot put in a whole house system. Right. You can the countertop version and a radiant life. Um, that's the brand that we use for our under the sink ro as well as for the whole house filtration system.

They also have that countertop stainless steel option. I think that's a great choice if you're renting. Um, for us, I think, I mean, I would not go any, I would not move anywhere anymore without a whole house filtration system. Right, because you get clean water out of every single fossil, but it 

Kathy: not happen when we move to Costa Rica.

MK: Huh? 

Kathy: Read it in the container. 

MK: Uh, we'll bring it. We would bring it if we were to move to Costa Rica. Alright, so the problem with our old water is reverse osmosis, which is, you know, a type of water that really strips out, or the reverse osmosis mechanism strips out everything from the water in imperious.

But also minerals, e everything. I mean, you basically end up with almost distilled water, which is not good for you to drink because it's, you know, the body is used to drinking water that has minerals, you know, even in trace amounts, but at least something. And if you drink a lot of RO water, then you risk that the body is leaching those minerals.

From either the, the rest of the body or from the food that you eat. So it's not ideal to drink water. It's stripped clean, you know you wanna drink water that mimics water that humans have been drinking for a very long time in know natural spring water. And so now they are our own system like ours that remineralize the water, but it's not the same as you get that high quality mineral water.

And so that's why we actually stopped drinking for the most part, our RO water. And we just drink the, the water that's been filtered with the whole house filtration system, which is not. Doesn't remove as much, but it's also a good thing because you still get some of the minerals. So that's one thing. And I think the other thing we wanna do in this episode is to read out some of the questions we've gotten on our, on social media when we posted a short clip about all of the things that we've changed.

Um, so the water bottle again, which is the one we use, is the Live straw. Live straw, and clearly filter. Those are the two brands we use. Um, they're both good. Have the pros and cons. And um, then another question was, do you have an ionizer that charges your water? No, we do not. Uh, I have a hydrogen or a bottle that makes hydrogen water.

I've been experimenting with it, but honestly haven't really feel, felt much of a difference, so I stopped doing it. For the most part, we just drink regular water that's been filtered. Um, and that's also IMP import. Huh? 

Kathy: No, no, no. 

MK: And it's also important, you know, not only for drinking, but also for showering, right?

Mm-hmm. So you don't wanna have to chlorine all of the nasty stuff in your skin because part of it gets absorbed. Part of it, you inhale, especially with hot showers and, um, and it, you know, just not good. And then you cannot drink it either. 

Kathy: Well, do want me to, um, talk about chlorine with the kids in the pool?

Yeah. Maybe let's bring it up. What do you do 

MK: in the pool? Because the pool is, you know, it's. 

Kathy: So this year I discovered that, uh, apparently vitamin C and it has to be a certain type that I cannot pronounce the name. Um, but actually we had it at home because we take vitamin C like in a powder, um, in part of our, you know, it's part of our supplementation.

And so I started reading about it, like, how can I, uh, how can I do this summer with the kids exposure to chlorine in the pool? Yeah, 

MK: they like to swim. They like to go to the public pool. They love 

Kathy: swimming. They, they like going to the pool. So I did a little bit of, uh, research and apparently vitamin C with water mixed.

And what you have to do is like shower before going into the pool. Um, bring that in a spray bottle and then you just spray a little, you know, all over, not a little, all over your body and that neutralizes the chlorine and then you can just jump into the water when you get out. 

MK: Absorption of it, right?

Kathy: Yeah. And when you get out, you do the same. You go shower and then you just put that on. 

MK: Um, that's one of the mitigation techniques that if you don't wanna avoid the chlorine pool altogether, the kids 

Kathy: are not happy about it because it's another step. You know, and another thing to do, but, um, I think it's worth it because they seriously would be exposed to a lot of chlorine.

Yeah. 

MK: Number two is food, meaning produce and pantry staples. And the problem with those is, you know, they're loaded with pesticides. Not only the pesticides that humans put on, but also obviously plant. Pesticides that the plants produce to protect, you know, their most vital parts. We're not gonna talk about that.

We have another episode, or we had another episode on that. But let's talk about some of the stuff that we put on as humans, you know, from a herbicides, you know, like glyphosate and pesticides from the produced and you buy in the store if you eat plants, you know what? What do we do? 

Kathy: Well, we buy organic 

MK: right?

In season, which is more expensive in most cases, right? 

Kathy: Yeah. But it, I think. That's one that you should invest. Yes. 

MK: I mean, I would argue that, you know, if, if budget is a, a major concern, you know, limit the amount, my opinion is that plants, you know, should not make up the, the bulk of your, of the food that you eat anyway.

You know, so if, if you reduce your intake in plant foods, which is from a health perspective, a good thing, you know, then limit it to maybe the plants that are the least. Sprayed from the get go. Right. They're like the dirty dozens and the whatever. 

Kathy: Yes. Cleaner 

MK: ones. 

Kathy: Yeah. What I meant with that is that you should buy organic.

No. I mean, 

MK: yes, but what if you, even if you follow 

Kathy: us or if you follow, you know, or if you, you know, like. Whatever you should buy organic. That should be one of, 

MK: yeah. But even if, if you don't, how, how do you, what, what do you I mean, we do the same thing whether or not we buy organic or have it from our garden or, or buy something that's not organic.

Yeah. We process them the same way when it, when it gets home. Yeah. We wash them, 

Kathy: we wash 'em with, uh, vinegar and baking soda. 

MK: Baking soda and vinegar. So that's for five minutes relatively. So you put 'em into water, you add a splash. Mm-hmm. And. That takes, that removes a lot of it stuff. I just 

Kathy: fill up the sink and I just put water, uh, a splash of vinegar and baking soda.

Let them soak there for five minutes and take them out, dry them. And I just do that right after coming from the grocery store. 

MK: Right. 

Kathy: Everything or you know, from the patio. 

MK: Yeah. And obviously, you know, if, if there are certain things that you really eat a lot. And that happened to be stuff that's also expensive.

You know, consider growing it yourself. I mean, yeah, we still wash the stuff that we get from the outside. Not because we spray, but if there are flux or whatever on there, you know, to get that stuff off. Um, or anything that might be in the air. I 

Kathy: mean, I grew up my grandparents or even my mom would tell me, do not eat, you know, the producer like strawberries or whatever that, um, that's the slime, the slogs, yeah, the slime from the slogs.

MK: Yeah. 

Kathy: You know, if they were nearby or touch the fruit, you know, you wanna wash it. 

MK: One question from someone on social media was, how do you remove oil based pesticides from produce? 

Kathy: If they mean the clear, the code, 

MK: Uhhuh 

Kathy: code that you know, they put on apples and then, you know, here I can call out Whole Foods is one of them.

Mm-hmm. Uh, so we stopped buying at Whole Foods pretty much. Yeah. And we now do Sprouts because apparently they don't, um, Costco, some items they would, you know, yeah. Have that code. Um, I mean, I don't know if I remove it completely, but I do the same. 

MK: I mean, you need some sort of inve, cheese soap or whatever to get, I don't know.

How 

Kathy: can I, I can detect that. Yeah. 

MK: Avoidance is often better, you know, than, than trying to fix stuff. Um. Another comment was throughout the plastic spatulas, I saw a black one. We don't have any plastic spatulas in our home. Rest assured, if there is anything that looks like plastic, it's probably silicon.

Um, which one could argue? Well, it's not as good as stainless steel, but the whole idea here is to do better. Right? Well, 

Kathy: but the silicon, what they say is that when it's in high temperatures, right? For example, I don't, I stopped doing that. Um, recent, well, in the last year or two, um, I don't. Bake with 

MK: silicon, 

Kathy: silicon, 

MK: uhhuh.

Kathy: Um, maybe the spatula that they saw is when I mix, you know, things or the kids mix things, you know, like 

MK: not with heat though. If, if we have not with heat Exactly. It's exposed to heat. We use stainless steel or, or wood or something, you know. So, but again, no plastic. We don't have any plastic spatulas in, in our home anymore.

Um. Next food storage, because very much related to, to the food. 

Kathy: We've talked a lot about this in a, in another episode. Did we have, we, 

MK: I don't remember, but I know that it's been definitely a, a big, big thing to get rid of plastic food storage containers because they're everywhere. You know, we have the tap tapware, we had Ziploc freezer packs and anything in between.

Everything used to be plastic, right? Mm-hmm. And now it's not anymore. I think they are. Yeah. And here is the thing with plastic. I mean plastic leeches, endocrine erupting chemicals into the food, especially if it's acidic or salty food. Um, and if there is heat involved. So again, there is a difference between using a plastic freezer bag.

Then and using a plastic, you know, to heat something up in a microwave, which is like the worst thing you can, you can do. Or to store hot food, you know. 

Kathy: Well, what I do is I freeze my sourdough first. Mm-hmm. Like in layers, and then I put them in a zip bag, but it's not being, 

MK: it's already cold at this point.

Cold and it goes freezer. I cover 

Kathy: with something like, so it, it might touch, but it might not, you know? Mm-hmm. It is just, if I don't have more of my silicone ones, that's what I would do. Right? 

MK: Yeah. But the point is, you know, that was a major investment for us to switch everything over to glass, to stainless steel.

And in some cases, like the freezer bags are made out of silicone, you know, and I think it's 

Kathy: not very expensive to get glass. I mean, yes, of course you know it's gonna be cheaper, comparatively speaking. Yeah. But it is not a bad investment. I mean, if you still have little ones. And you don't, you know, they can break it when they grab it or whatever.

I mean, it can happen to us. I've broken two, we've broken stuff, two or three, but it's still, I think it is a really good option. And now Amazon carries really nice, um, containers, food containers that are silicone around it. And you can like just the, the seal part. Mm-hmm. Everything else that is glass.

Mm-hmm. The, the, the lead and you know, the container. And that's a little bit of a competitor of, uh, Tupperware that has the same, no. Is it Tupperware? Yes. No. Uh, pyx, 

MK: pyx. Uhhuh. I 

Kathy: bought some, uh, in, I think in Costco. And then I just, you know, like I had two to compare, um. But I think it's a, a really good 

MK: yeah.

Kathy: Investment. And another thing that I do from all the jars, you know, even ex exchange with my friends, you know, just jars, you know, from me, uh, jams or 

MK: picks or whatever, or 

Kathy: anything that you buy in the store and you have, you know, don't throw it away, you know, reuse them. You know, I have a lot of dried food.

Well, I don't have a lot, but yeah. You know, it's, it's just a good, yeah. Our, um, our mint that I dry from the garden, they go into. 

MK: Those repurpose uhhuh. Yeah. Yep. So, um, also one thing we stopped using is aluminum foil, because that's also leeches, well aluminum especially into hot and acidic foods. And so we use, uh, butcher paper.

Sometimes there is, you know, it makes sense to use aluminum, but it's done on top of the butcher paper. So the butcher paper basically separates the food from the aluminum. 

Kathy: And even when I keep something warm, like I would put the butcher paper and then the aluminum, you know, so the kids can bring something too.

Somewhere, you know? Yeah. That is warm. 

MK: But that's usually an, in, like, with those things, as you said, it's an investment that's a one time thing, and they last forever unless you break the glass. But with stainless steel in particular, like the lunchboxes we have, and you know, everything that we've upgraded little, you know, even little marks for the kids that they, you know, you mm-hmm.

Used to use, um, all of that can really last for a very long time. Um, and it's significantly safer. Anything that comes in contact with food, I would highly recommend. You know, you take a good look at and don't believe in, you know, there are a couple of brands that say, oh, it's BPA free. Well, just because it's plastic and not doesn't have BPA Bisphenol A, it has another bisphenol.

There's bisphenol s you know, that's, nobody talks about. Yet. And so they just, you know, replace BPA with BPS and call it BPA free. And do you think it's safe? It is not, uh, anything that's, there are very few types of plastic, like maybe an a BS plastic that is sometimes, you know, the water container of a coffee maker or so that is, has not been shown to have endocrine disrupting or leaching properties.

But most everything else is, is not good for you and you wanna avoid, 

Kathy: I felt like you were speaking Chinese to me. 

MK: Well, and those, if 

Kathy: you ask me, would it B-P-B-B-P-A, you know, I cannot say it, but I know that it's bad or it's good. I don't know. Yes, it's, it's one of 

MK: those, it's one of those many chemicals that mimic the sex hormone estrogen in the body.

So when it gets into the food or the water, so you, one, is 

Kathy: B BPA free? 

MK: You want it? No. You want it to be plastic free because if, if it's not BPA, it's BPS. Exactly. Or it's another, a type of plastic, 

Kathy: but you're still speaking Chinese to me. 

MK: Well, it's, those are different types of, of endocrine disruptors. Okay.

That they, that are used that different types of, yeah. Okay. That are used in plastic or for plastic. Okay. Right. And so you wanna avoid all of them because. You know, just because it's free of one doesn't mean it's also free of every other one, you know? Okay. That we might not even have heard about. Um, from a, you know, social media perspective, what we received is a comment as a bamboo is highly chemically processed and not as toxic as they claim.

Kathy: Oh, because of bamboo. Uh, yeah. I think 

MK: we have some bam bamboo, um. Cutting boards, spoons or whatever, cutting boards. And you know, like it depends on the type of the bamboo. It's correct that there are ways, and I think it's, that's more applicable maybe to bamboo clothing and stuff that when you, when you make it soft, it gets processed in a way that is then potentially not so non-toxic anymore.

Um, but again, if you buy organic bamboo or one that is, uh, appropriately processed, you just have to ask and know your stuff as always. Uh, then bamboo is still a better option than many of the alternatives. 

Kathy: And if. You think that's, you know, toxic then switch to glass or stainless steel? I, yeah. I have a friend that has a really cool standing steel cutting board in her, yeah.

Kitchen island. Yeah. And I wanna switch to that, but because it would be great for, um, marinade in the, you know, steaks that are gonna go into the grill or, you know, I don't know how I'm gonna feel about chopping on that one, but, you know. Yeah. There's options. 

MK: Yeah. Uh, one more thing actually before we move on is pans and pots, because we are, that's, that's where it can get expensive, right?

That is in some cases, 

Kathy: that's kind of like a one I once between, but that's a 

MK: generational kind of thing. Almost like the stainless cast iron skillets that we purchased. I mean those, unless someone throws them away. We'll stay in the family for a very long time. They don't, you know, deteriorate. They're, they're good, they're awesome.

We also have some stainless steel and one person actually asked, do you have, do you, can you recommend something that's lighter because cast iron is heavy, of course, and if you're already elderly. Maybe with arthritis or, you know, not the muscle strengthen anymore that you used to have. Holding that pan can be a problem.

I mean, we, you know, the ones we have have actually a little bit of a, they're heavy a grip on the other side, so you can grip them from both sides, which makes it easier. 

Kathy: They're heavy. Yeah. 

MK: Stainless steel is a little lighter, at least the ones that we have. But still nothing like those, you know, floppy plastic, like non-combat, uh, non-stick coating kind of crap.

They're all toxic. So I would highly recommend you avoid. Them. Um, anything that's non-stick, unless it's, you know, again, cast iron. It's naturally non-stick if you season it properly, but everything else is not so bueno. Alright, clothing and bedding. Um, fairly simple natural fibers, you know, generally speaking.

Uh, 

Kathy: linen, 

MK: cotton, cotton, uh, marina wool, organic bamboo, if that's your thing. Um. Those are the things that we use because most clothing nowadays is made out of plastic, you know, polyester, you know, or some other type of plastic. And then again, is not great because that can. Leach into your skin and then you end up with stuff in your body that you absolutely don't need.

So natural fibers is fairly easy. Cotton, I mean, organic cotton obviously more expensive than conventional cotton as always, but still, relatively speaking. Getting a cotton shirt is, you know, doesn't cost a whole lot of money. Even some of the marina wool stuff that we've gotten now, and we've again, transitioned slowly.

Yeah, I think, I 

Kathy: think Marina Nina are the most expensive, or a bamboo is middle. Mid, yeah. Price range is like in the mid. Yeah. Cotton is probably the least expensive. Cotton is least, but you know, if you wanna do it right, it should be organic and um, yeah. I forgot the name of the GOX Flex or something like that.

Is the, 

MK: and there's like a certification uhhuh that they 

Kathy: have. Yeah. Yeah. If you can. If not, I've heard also a lot of people saying thrifting. You know, like go and get clothing that is being washed for a long time. 

MK: Right. 

Kathy: And, um, so 

MK: most of the stuff is already out. Most of, yeah, most 

Kathy: of the stuff are out.

Yeah. Same for furniture. For furniture. I mean, we're not there, but furniture is the same. You know, the, it is been off gas, you know, by living in somebody else's house. And then if you just. You know, I mean, there's companies that are non-toxic, but, you know, if you wanna save some money thrifting. Yeah. 

MK: But I would say if you have to choose between conventional cotton and, and, and polyester go with conventional cotton, it's definitely better.

And again, you wanna be better. You cannot per, you know, don't aim to be perfect unless you have the funds and the desire just be better, you know, and, and cutting out plastic from your clothing is definitely a step in the right direction. Um, for anything that's related to working out and sweating a lot.

Cotton is just not ideal because it soaks it up and it doesn't, you know, it's, it's not bueno for, for working out, for hiking, for those kind of things. I would highly recommend Marina Wool. We, uh, we invested in a bunch of those like underwear, like workout clothes, et cetera. Uh, I mean, if you get the right brand, like we use Woolly.

And what are some of the brands that you have? I only 

Kathy: use Woolie and uh, leggings. And bikers shorts from made the label. 

MK: Yeah. And Riker is the one I think the, the bikers 

Kathy: are. Yeah. Your shorts my 

MK: workout and they've been, I mean, holding up incredibly well. Um, and so I think that's worthwhile the investment.

Again, do it slowly. You know, don't, don't, you don't replace everything in one shot unless you have unlimited funds. Uh, just do it and take 

Kathy: advantage of the sales. 

MK: Right. 

Kathy: That's what I do. Yeah. 

MK: Alright. Household cleaners and appliances because that's also a major source of endocrine disrupting chemicals and.

Yeah, I mean, we talked about what endocrine disrupting chemicals are, but you know, we have another episode where I talk specifically about endocrine disruptors, ceno estro transit. They're called to check that out if you wanna really get into the details and learn more. But household cleaners, you know, everything, anything that you use to clean stuff is typically toxic.

Um, that is not ideal. And there are, the good news is there are fairly inexpensive ways. To, you know, make a swap. Like Castel soap. I use, I wash everything, hair and everything in between with Castel soap, you know, it, it's inexpensive and it gets the chopped done. Uh, you use a couple of, uh, fancier products.

We talk about it later on the personal care. Uh, but for just cleaning and washing apple cider vinegar? No, just vinegar, baking vinegar, 

Kathy: organic white vinegar and baking soda. 

MK: Yeah, those two fairly easy. Um. Uh, for washing and for laundry in particular, we recently got a, an ozone laundry unit that infuses ozone into the cold water supply because ozone is a great disinfectant, and so it cleans the clothing.

It makes them sanitary at the end of the day. It's not great at removing like stains, like fat stains or whatever, but for just cleaning the clothes and making them sanitary, that ozone unit is a one-time payment. And it's there and it, you know, and you, you can use significantly less or no longer detergent at all depending on, you know, how soiled the, the clothes are.

And so we've been using that. We also have a. Uh, a bipolar ionization device that is hooked up to a central, uh, ac. Now, if you're a renter and you don't have, you know, control or access to your, um, to your AC unit, there are standalone units that do the same thing. But in our case, we have a centrally installed and that disperses charge particles basically throughout the entire home whenever the A SU or the fan is running.

That kills bacteria and pathogens on contact. It causes fine particles to clump together and then fall out of the air, which means you're probably gonna see a little bit more dust, but on the bright side, you don't inhale that stuff. And it's not this why 

Kathy: I'm finding this out now. 

MK: Anna told you. 

Kathy: That's why the house is so dusty.

Yeah. 

MK: But on the bright side, not serious, you know, you know, it's, and it's from hypo air. It's a bipolar ionization technology. And it doesn't, it's not a, it doesn't kill everything. So there are like mycotoxins that it doesn't attack, but it, it attacks at least, uh, or it removes, uh, mold spores and fragments from the air.

Uh, so they fall down and can then be vacuumed up or filtered out by the regular filter of your AC unit. So that's, uh, one. One piece of the puzzle to keep the air clean. We have also air purifier from Jasper and from hypo air that help us, you know, get some of the dust out, get some of the, you know, VOCs and whatever when we cook out.

And one thing that's a little bit sticky for you, I, I remember is cleaning solutions. Like natural cleaning solutions, right? 

Kathy: I, I just, I'm not a fan. 

MK: Why? 

Kathy: Because when I've done it, like cleaning with vinegar and water, you know, for the windows, I just don't feel like it does the job. I still see streaks and it takes forever.

I remember doing it with Windex. 

MK: Hmm. 

Kathy: Easy peasy, right? Yeah. With natural, it is been a struggle. So I know that there is brands out there that are non-toxic. I haven't tried them because for me it's like I'm, I'm in between, I have some. I wanna try some products, but at the same time, I wanna do natural. So it's like a balance of both.

MK: Right. 

Kathy: But I haven't found the one for the windows. I haven't found anything that works. Yeah. That is, you know, that is natural. Yeah. 

MK: But at least the one we use predominantly is the one from, is a total clean. The total clean hypo air, and it, it's a great disinfectant. It's, you know, you can mm-hmm. You could spray it in your face and it's not, it's really non-toxic.

That's the good news. It doesn't clean stain wise as well as maybe some of the toxic cleaners out there. 

Kathy: But for dusting and for the kitchen countertops. Yeah. You know, it's really good. It's working really well to clean, you know, the kitchen cabinets. Yeah. It's been, it's been really good. 

MK: Yeah. 

Kathy: Uh, and of the floor.

MK: And the floor, we also clean with it. Mm-hmm. Yep. Um, two questions from, from social media. Where did you get your HVAC ionizer, hypo air? Uh, with a review on that, on the blog, so I can link that. And what's the ozone, uh, for the laundry or what does it do? Well, it disinfect, I already mentioned from simply O three.

We also have a video on that, um, if you wanna learn more. And with that, that was episode number one. I know we talked a lot about different things. We have a couple of more categories we wanna tackle in the next episode, so stay tuned. Uh, when we talk about personal care products hormone, like feminine health mm-hmm.

Um, and EMF mitigation, that's another sticky topic that there's a lot of discussion about. So we'll tackle that in the next episode. Stay tuned and hopefully we'll see you next week.